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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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690 for the 26th of december

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2021 richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia

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the last skeptic zone for 2021

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do we look forward to 2022

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the news coming out of sydney australia

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and australia in general i guess is the

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uh the number of new cases for covert is

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growing

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rapidly every day almost every day

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yesterday wasn't so

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big a leap

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but it seems

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hopefully this is a good sign

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that with this uh

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omicron variation the hospitalization

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numbers aren't as bad

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but we will just have to wait and see

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i'm going to be waiting until early next

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month

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to get my booster shot

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and before i get into what's coming up

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on this week's show that reminds me of

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something an anti-vaxxer conspiracy

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theorist left a comment on the

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australian skeptic's facebook page the

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other day saying how many booster shots

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will it take before the australian

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skeptics are skeptical of vaccines

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you know they they think that's a funny

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witty insightful thing to say

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and i guess the comment i want to make

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generally is if i was to

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try to sum up the last couple of years

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with covert

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one of the striking things that's

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brought to the attention of the world

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is the sheer

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the sheer number of conspiracy theorists

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and such

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who are prepared to

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uh you know march in the streets which

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we will get to later in the show by the

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way there's a story coming up about that

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and go online and to the extent where as

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we know especially in the united states

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thousands of these people have died

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because they will not take the

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vaccination

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uh it reminds me of what's the harm well

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what's the harm in conspiracy theories

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is that uh

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well the death toll i think it speaks

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for itself

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and we can only wonder how many of those

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thousands of people would still be alive

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today if they didn't believe

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online conspiracy theories and

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such like

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a good case for science and reason

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and skepticism

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but yes coming up on this week's show we

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look at flags the magna carta and

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sort of inspired by the

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the protest i happened across the other

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week here in sydney the anti-vaxx

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conspiracy theory sovereign citizens

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freedom protest

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reporter michelle bickersma in melbourne

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has always got an eye out for a good

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story thank you michelle

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i cover some of the interesting things

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these people are saying and why they say

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it specifically about

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the upside down red australian flag

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which they like to carry

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and quoting the magna carta

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oh yes that's coming up at the top of

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the show then after that it's the

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australian skeptics newsletter

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read beautifully and professionally by

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adrian hill in canada now people

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listening in canada

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if you

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are looking for

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an exquisite voice over artist i think

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adrian hill would fit your bill have a

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listen

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and i'm sure you'll agree with me good

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work adrian

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then once again we go to the trove

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archives well this time i think it's

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archives from around the world digitize

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newspapers and we look for references to

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oregon energy which is one of these

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mysterious energies unknown to science

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stay tuned at the end of the show for

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words and points from me but now it's

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time for me to run downstairs and dive

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dive into the giant bag of roasted

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peanuts my sisters gave me for christmas

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oh my goodness me it is huge

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it must be it must be the size of two

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basketballs put together you have no

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idea and they're roasted to perfection

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oh yum while i do that

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thank you sisters while i do that i hope

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you enjoy

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now you may remember on last week's

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conspiracy theory protest in downtown

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from the video i shot

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time today to look at some of the

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banners and some of the symbols and

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or were carrying on the day and typical

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of what uh these sort of people do

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and again just viewing the video at the

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people are wearing various conspiracy

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freedom freedom freedom

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lots of flags which we'll get to in a

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gathered around the law courts not one

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of them was wearing a mask and i made

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the point last week

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that uh when i walked by making my video

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various people were bleeding at me

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these banners these posters these what

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drawn on bits of cardboard with sticks

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and there's even a man who was blind

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there with his guide dog and his banner

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read something like i may be blind but i

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can see the truth something like that

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and as i view this video

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and this is one of the first things

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protesters carrying an upside down

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which is red

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a red upside down australian flag and

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prompted me at the request or the

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suggestion of our reporter michelle

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who came across some information about

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why do protesters carry a red upside

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down australian flag many of them are

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simply carrying australian flags upside

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as if to say they're the true patriots i

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watching too many american videos

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the audio on the protest as they march

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parliament house and i think

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of these protesters over the last

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year or so going back into the early

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the flag should never be flown upside

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a code for danger or distress or

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something like that upside down flags

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have been used around the world as a

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protest symbol including the capitol

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and some skeptics own fans may remember

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the prediction team were meeting

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accidentally as it happened

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and we all decided to watch the uh

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the counting of the votes and that's

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when the riots happen so that was quite

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dramatic however getting back to the red

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resulted from the commonwealth

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government's 1901 federation flag design

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competition which required two entries a

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flag for official commonwealth

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government use and another for the

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merchant navy the winning design was

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and commonwealth star so it's

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flag it's easy to look up and see what

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the merchant navy and it's on a red

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sovereign citizens and the freedom

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meaning they are not bound by the laws

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of the country in which they live unless

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they waive those rights by accepting a

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contract with the government and i think

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shelly stockin about sovereign citizens

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a lot of these people are sort of bound

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that federation which was in 1901 when

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all the states of australia

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which were independent states came

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australia could almost be called the

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united states of australia it's the same

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really the country of australia

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at federation australia was not an

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dominion of the british empire

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australian citizens did not exist until

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australia until 1986 so not that long

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blue flag we used today really didn't

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become the national flag until 1953

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distinctive flag to signify an

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identity they tended to use the red flag

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sovereign citizens and freedom fighters

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tend to use the red flag

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probably because they see it being used

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and it's regarded as being more the

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people's flag well at least in their own

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the red ensign has now become associated

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more with sovereign citizens groups who

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that the admiralty law

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the supporters of this fringe movement

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believe that the australian laws do not

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apply to them believing that state

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governments and their police forces have

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no legitimate power to enforce

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coronavirus laws lockdown and

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vaccination mandates and some of them

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have been identified as potential

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terrorism threats by the new south wales

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police

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now another thing that caught my

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attention was the sign being held up by

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one protester

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that said quote the hospitals are filled

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with jab victims end quote

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now this is a

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strangely common

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conspiracy theory that the hospitals

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aren't filled with covert victims

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or that the numbers of covert victims

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aren't increasing it's people who

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actually got sick from the vaccination

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itself

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now why some people report to having

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adverse reactions ranging from feeling a

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bit unwell to sore arms and so on

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under no possible stretch of the

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imagination or hospitals filling up with

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people who are having adverse reactions

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to vaccines or dying from vaccines

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it's simply

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a lie to be blunt but it's a lie these

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people willingly believe because it fits

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their narrative indeed as i record this

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the new the the new numbers here in new

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south wales are approaching 6 000 cases

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6 000 cases it's growing exponentially

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and the number of people in hospital

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suffering from covert is rising

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but now let's look at one of the notices

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that these protesters were sticking up

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all over the front of the law courts

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here in sydney

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which i seem to recall were shut anyway

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so they went into a sort of a glass for

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you and they were sticking up these

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notices everywhere photocopies color and

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black and white

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now here's one and at the top bizarrely

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enough we have the coat of arms of queen

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elizabeth ii

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go figure

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it says

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attention

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all persons entering this building

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this building has been lawfully seized

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under clause 61 of magna carta on the

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7th of january 2019 and remains seized

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until a lawful state and federal

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parliament are elected

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there you are they couldn't even be

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bothered to print up a new sign in the

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states from 2019 for some reason it goes

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on

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further a lawful governor general must

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be appointed along with lawful governors

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entry to these buildings is by lawful

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officers of the crown who have sworn the

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lawful oath contained in the

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commonwealth of australian constitution

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act 1900 uk and the commonwealth

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constitution 1901 as proclaimed and

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gazetted

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all other entry is trespass and you

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capitals will be prosecuted

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by order of the people who are the

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commonwealth of australia

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strong legal words

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indeed or are they

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of course needless to say it's nonsense

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but

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out of curiosity let's read clause 61 of

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the magna carta

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incredibly important historical legal

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document

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the english charter of freedoms from 12

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15 signed by king john

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and according to wikipedia magna carta

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great chart of freedoms commonly called

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magna carta

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also also the great charter is a royal

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charter of rights agreed to by king john

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of england at rainy mead near windsor on

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the 15th of june 12 15.

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it promised the protection of church

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rights protection for the barons from

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illegal imprisonment

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access to swift justice and limitations

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on feudal payments to the crown to be

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implemented through a council of 25

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barons

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and it is the basis of many modern laws

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of course but but at heart of course it

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is an important historical document but

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anyway let's get to clause 61

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since we have granted all these things

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for god

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for the better ordering of our kingdom

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and to end the disagreement that has

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arisen between us and our barons

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we agree that the barons shall elect 25

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of their number to watch over and keep

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the peace and liberties granted and

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confirmed to them by this charter

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if we

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our chief justice our officials or any

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of our servants offend in any respect

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against any man and the offence is made

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known to four of the said 25 barons

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they shall come to us to declare it and

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claim immediate redress

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if we

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make no redress within 40 days before

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barons shall refer the matter to the

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rest of the 25 barons

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who may distrain upon

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and assail us in every way possible with

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the support of the whole community of

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the land by seizing our castles lands

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possessions or anything else saving only

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our own person and those of the queen

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and our children until they have secured

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such redress as they have determined

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upon

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having secured their address they may

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then resume their normal obedience to us

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any man who desires may take an oath to

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obey the commands of the 25 barons for

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the achievement of these ends and to

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join with them in assailing us to the

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utmost of his power

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we give public and free permission to

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take this oath to any man who so desires

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and at no time will we prohibit any man

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from taking it indeed we will compel any

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of our subjects who are unwilling to

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[Laughter]

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so that's clause

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61

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and from that

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these conspiracy theorists and sovereign

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citizens and freedom fighters

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think that that gives them the right to

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possess

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public

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law courts it makes about as much sense

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as

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a lot of what they

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claim as i said before the

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magna carta is an important historical

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but i'll end with this thought

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that the people at this protest carrying

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their signs saying vaccines

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don't work covert is a hoax

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the hospitals are filled with jab

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victims and so on

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what is particularly poignant and

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particularly sad

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is that when some of these people

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come down with covert which will happen

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and some of those people who come down

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with covert end up in hospital in a very

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very bad way if they

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publicize the fact on social media

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the other people this protest

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will turn on them

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we'll turn on them

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claiming that they are shills and part

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of the conspiracy

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why

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because it's happened before

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so we now wait and see

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what the rest of this month in january

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will bring us

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but the way the numbers are going at the

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moment we can only

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we can only imagine

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hello this is maynard did you know that

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you could listen to the skeptic zone on

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youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

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also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

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with michelle bickersma and funny

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sketches with richard saunders and a

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just click on the youtube links on the

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[Music]

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hello this is adrian hill from canada

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with newsletter number 138 from the

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australian skeptics compiled and written

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by none other than tim mendem

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remember there are links to each story

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and you can see those when you subscribe

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to the newsletter at skeptics.com

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you

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hi all it says

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our last newsletter for 2021 and what a

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year it has been though there's no need

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to remind everybody about that here is

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looking to a much better 2022

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meanwhile there's still the festive

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season saturnalia

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summer winter solstice hanukkah which

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has already been in gone christmas and

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of course jimmy buffett's birthday

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read on

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tim

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australian skeptics news

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psychic project full results are

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released the results of the great

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australian psychic prediction project a

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12-year study by australian skeptics

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have been released

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an in-depth report has been published in

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the latest issue of the skeptic and has

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also been published as a sample article

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from that issue

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the project revealed that so-called

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psychics predictions are right only 11

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of the time and when something momentous

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or infamous happens they are unlikely to

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have foreseen it

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under the supervision of skeptics chief

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investigator richard saunders the survey

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covered over 3 800 predictions made

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between the years 2000 and 2020 by more

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than 200 australian psychics

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it took 12 years of diligent work by

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skeptics trawling through magazines

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newspapers tv and radio websites youtube

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and social media to compile as

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comprehensive a list of predictions as

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possible

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it is easily the most detailed project

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of its kind ever attempted in australia

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and most likely the world

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and the results

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11 of predictions are correct

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15

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expected as in stating the bleeding

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obvious

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nineteen percent are too vague two

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percent are unknown and fifty three

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percent wrong

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the results indicate nothing better than

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educated guessing or even uneducated

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guessing and certainly no better than

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any non-psychic could do and probably a

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lot worse

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and you can also hear the full report on

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the last episode of this podcast

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three million dollar fine for

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advertising hyperbaric oxygen devices

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the federal court of australia has

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ordered oxymed australia to pay two

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million dollars for advertising medical

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devices intended to administer

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hyperbaric oxygen therapy in breach of

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the therapeutic goods act the devices

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which pump oxygen into pressure chambers

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at ambient pressure higher than

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atmospheric pressure were advertised for

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the treatment of serious diseases and

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medical conditions including alzheimer's

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disease cerebral palsy dementia covid19

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stroke hiv aids cancer depression and

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post-traumatic stress disorder

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the court also ordered malcolm hooper

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the director of oxymed to pay 1 million

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dollars in penalties for aiding abetting

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counseling or procuring the

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contraventions of the act by oxymed

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the court found that oxymed's

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advertising was quote intended to

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engender in the unscientifically trained

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and vulnerable reader a perception of

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credibility as the claims of hyperbaric

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oxygen therapy as a treatment end quote

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and that the use of hyperbaric oxygen

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therapy to treat most of those

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conditions was not supported by

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scientific evidence the court further

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concluded that oxymet and hooper quote

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have a practice of posting

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pseudoscientific articles targeted at a

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vulnerable audience end quote

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vaccine fakes

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claims man received 10 covet

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vaccinations in one day

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unbelievable

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new zealand health authorities are

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investigating claims that a man received

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up to 10 covet 19 vaccination doses in

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one day on behalf of other people in the

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latest efforts by members of the public

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to skirt tough restrictions on the

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unvaccinated

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so let's get this straight you think

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vaccines are dangerous but it's okay to

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get someone else to have one for you 10

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times

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crazy

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and a man tries to get a shot in a fake

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arm

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a man in italy wore a thick theater

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corset covered in rubber foam to which

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two foam arms were attached in what is

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assumed to be an attempt to skirt

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vaccine mandate laws the nurse

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administering the vaccinations said that

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it was quote quite well made end quote

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his goal was apparently to obtain a

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vaccination certificate enabling him to

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go to work without actually getting the

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two gb host ray hadley destroys cowardly

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listener

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veteran radio broadcaster ray hadley

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lashed out at an anti-vaxx listener on

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air following an email he had received

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calling him a coward for not allowing

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conspiracy theorists to express their

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views on his talkback show

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hadley was infuriated and called the

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listener a [\h__\h] quote i expect that

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during world war ii you'd be prepared to

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listen to the rantings of hitler and

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give him equal time as well perhaps you

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think pedophiles have a point and

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perhaps i should air their views on here

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end quote he continued saying that

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anti-faxers would never have a voice on

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his radio program

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quote anti-faxers are a scourge on

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society and will never get any traction

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here never have and never will end quote

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hadley had previously locked horns with

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his former on-air colleague alan jones

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over the latter's promotion of coveted

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misinformation and anti-lockdown

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protests

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pseudoscience movement wants to wipe

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germs from existence

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[Music]

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according to this article quote science

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skeptics are flocking toward a fringe

642
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set of beliefs called terrain theory an

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ideology that ranges from total denial

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of the existence of viruses and bacteria

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to the belief that lifestyle choices

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alone force otherwise benevolent

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microbes to transform into pathogens end

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quote

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the central gist of this 160 year old

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theory is that the body's terrain

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not germs creates disease

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in the facebook group terrain model

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00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:20,440
refutes germ theory which has grown from

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147 followers to 20 700 since the

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beginning of the pandemic one member who

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tested positive for covet 19 speculated

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that he fell ill because he broke his

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ankle

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another member argued that quote measles

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is a developmental cleansing end quote

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00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,789
how to spot a spiritual impersonator

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scam on instagram

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this is a story about imposter's cloning

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accounts of high profile authors tarot

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readers psychics mediums witches etc

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they mimic the bio and repost several of

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the same instagram photos once they've

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established their profile they will then

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proceed to go through their targets

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follower list and begin following and

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messaging those people trying to offer

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them psychic readings tarot readings or

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magical workings

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sometimes they will ask for payment

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first and sometimes they will give a

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poor reading and ask for payment before

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proceeding once you've paid they will

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block you the article complains that

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quote without asking the legal questions

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of why is instagram allowing this to

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happen or if a class action lawsuit for

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identity theft and financial damages is

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possible it's clear that instagram

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doesn't care about the safety of both

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the person being impersonated and more

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importantly those being scammed end

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quote warning

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really annoying pop-up ads

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the magazine from australian skeptics is

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out and it features complete coverage of

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the great australian psychic prediction

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project possibly the largest of its kind

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ever undertaken and destined to be a

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reference for future discussion on the

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topic of psychics

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so if you haven't subscribed yet now is

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the time to do so contact the editor if

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you're not sure if your existing

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events

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while some skeptics groups are running

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00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,440
their regular skeptics in the pub

703
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,840
get-togethers online same talks but

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00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,240
bring your own beer an increasing number

705
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,919
are returning to the live face-to-face

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format check your local guides to see

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when and where such activities are on or

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if they are on considering any coveted

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restrictions

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skeptics in action

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if you have any ideas for stories or

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want to contribute to skeptics

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communications such as the magazine or

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facebook page or just have something you

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want to get off your chest then you're

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welcome to get in touch

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news leads should be sent to news tips

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at skeptics.com.au

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submissions for the magazine etc should

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go to editor

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skeptics.com.au

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comments and suggestions even those rude

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ones should also go to editor

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items of interest

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aliens preparing to make contact

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00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:21,679
according to yuri geller here we go

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a polyglot of paranormalities ufos

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ancient astronauts crashed saucers caa

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psychic warfare pentagon and nasa

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secrets spy missions acoustic energy esp

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experiments on the moon werner von braun

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ex-astronaut mitchell and yuri geller

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00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,200
who has a new book out

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what a coincidence

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several witnesses spot the chicago

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mothman

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normally associated with west virginia

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witnesses have now claimed they have

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00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,080
seen another version of the flying

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00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,640
monster the chicago mothman in the

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winnebago county area

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00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:03,279
named no doubt for its large population

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00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,120
of extra-long caravans this credulous

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00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,519
story basically just quotes eyewitness

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00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,760
reports and leaves it at that

746
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,000
but we want to know why motorman

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00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,320
traveled all that way a distance of

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00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,960
upwards of a thousand kilometers heck

749
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,200
new york would have been closer and

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00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,799
broadway would have been attractive

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00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:25,039
there's lots of lights there one for

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each broken heart apparently

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[Music]

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00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:32,799
silliest story of the week from cancer

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00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,720
researcher to psychic healer using

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00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,600
unicorn energy

757
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,240
single mom calista mcgillivray tossed in

758
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,240
her research job with the pharmaceutical

759
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,360
company in february of 2006 and studied

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00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,320
to become a master teacher in reiki

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alongside earning a diploma in herbal

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medicine

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00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:57,600
she now specializes in using angel

764
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,440
and unicorn energy to treat people

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00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,679
and has shared her methods with over 1

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00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:06,880
000 teachers worldwide she experienced

767
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,519
judgment and rejection from her peers

768
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,519
quote but was certain she was on the

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right path when she saw angels while

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00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,120
meditating end quote she later saw a

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00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:19,360
unicorn while running her holistic

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00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,039
therapy company as an aside this reminds

773
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,039
me of the unicorn tears stickers i got

774
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from celestia ward and my skepticrate a

775
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,720
while back they're to be placed on hand

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00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,279
sanitizer bottles they're for fun and i

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love it because it says they're 150

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effective and of course they're not to

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be taken seriously

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and that's all for now until 2022 this

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is adrian hill signing off from the land

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of waffles maple syrup and right now

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really cold temperatures

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hi this is rob palmer i write the

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well-known skeptic column in skeptical

786
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,480
inquirer online

787
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,080
and i'm a team member of the guerrilla

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skeptics on wikipedia project gsow

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but you find folks may know me because i

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00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,360
contributed segments for several

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00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,840
episodes of this podcast

792
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,720
check out my interviews from cycon 2019

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starting with episode 576

794
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,840
so here's a little known fact

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all of my skeptical activism stems from

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discovering the skeptic zone

797
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yep

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i first heard of the gsow project right

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here back in 2012 due to richard's

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selfless support of it and other

801
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,399
skeptical activities around the world

802
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,880
i can honestly say i'd likely still be a

803
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,960
skeptical couch potato if i hadn't

804
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,519
discovered this podcast

805
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,760
so besides giving back to the zone by

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00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,000
contributing occasional segments i

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contribute to the success of the show

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00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,320
with ongoing monthly micropayments and

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00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,240
i'm asking you to consider doing the

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you can do that by following the patreon

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or paypal links at

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00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:11,200
every donation supports the show and

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00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:30,230
[Music]

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00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,869
now it's time once again to dive into

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those

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pages at trove at trove.nla.gov.eu

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your online resource for australian

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digitized newspapers and so on

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we're in the spirit of trove we're

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00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,879
actually looking at some american

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archives this week and we will be

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looking for references to orgon energy

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[Music]

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well it's one of these so-called

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energies unknown to science

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which has all sorts of claims made about

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it not least coming from the website of

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orgonefx australia

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an outfit that sell

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products

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that

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use this so-called energy what do we

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have here a glance at their web page

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brings us a

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what appears to be a resin semi sphere a

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dome

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at 198

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we have a geo cleanse gold home and

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workplace harmonizer

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for a hundred and eighty nine dollars

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we have other little domes for sale a

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pendant for 58

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other pendants and an

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inner band for

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39 which looks suspiciously like the old

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power balance bands from years ago a pet

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pendant for 58

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a mobile phone and wi-fi radiation

851
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,640
harmonizer for 35 dollars a little

852
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,920
sticker you put on the back of your

853
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,960
watch

854
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,560
for 35

855
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,240
one for your keyring

856
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,280
for your car 79

857
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:12,800
inner soles for your shoes at 41 41.

858
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,079
a water and food rejuvenation plate

859
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,920
which is a bit of plastic you put food

860
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,240
and water on for 57

861
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,320
i think you get the idea

862
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:24,000
now this company has been taken to task

863
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,800
by

864
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,280
people such as choice magazine

865
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,800
and i

866
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:30,960
seem to recall that the oregon effects

867
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,520
threatened to sue choice for

868
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:35,440
making negative comments about their

869
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,320
products we are skeptical oh yes we are

870
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,560
skeptical of organ energy but what is

871
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,880
organ energy

872
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,119
according to wikipedia

873
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,359
orgon is a pseudoscientific concept

874
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,160
variously described as an esoteric

875
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,359
energy or hypothetical universal life

876
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,920
force originally proposed in the 1930s

877
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:57,440
by william reich

878
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,240
now

879
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,240
ultimately william reich ended up in

880
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:01,599
prison

881
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,720
and died there in the 1950s

882
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,359
it is suffice it to say it's like reiki

883
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,000
or like any of these

884
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,880
fantasy energies it can do everything

885
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:14,560
and

886
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,920
it is undetectable to science of course

887
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,599
but let's see what we can find out in

888
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:21,440
some digital archives

889
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,880
and our first port of call is from the

890
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:27,119
high point enterprise newspaper dated

891
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,119
the 31st of october 1963

892
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:34,160
and i'm sorry i haven't noted where

893
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:37,760
this is from but somewhere in the states

894
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:41,200
medical quacks reap one billion yearly

895
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:42,480
by earl

896
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,310
herald tribune news service washington

897
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,720
the modern medical quack trades in fear

898
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,960
and pseudoscience and collects 1 billion

899
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,040
from americans annually

900
00:38:02,710 --> 00:37:59,359
he collects for relief of almost any

901
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,720
disease from hemorrhoids to cancer he is

902
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,640
particularly skillful in collecting a

903
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,040
payoff in those ailments like arthritis

904
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,079
which are chronic and painful but which

905
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,480
have baffled orthodox medicine

906
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,119
he collects by peddling the most

907
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,680
unbelievable gadgets seemingly based on

908
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:20,400
the most up-to-date scientific ideas

909
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,680
magnetism ionization and electronics he

910
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,520
specializes in machines that create

911
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,400
radio noises flashing lights

912
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,160
wiggling needles and tingling sensations

913
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,160
he collects the nostrums often disguised

914
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:35,520
as cosmetics

915
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:38,720
that promise rejuvenation in the form of

916
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,320
wrinkle remover skin whiteness hair

917
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,760
restorers

918
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,880
and bust amplifiers as one passed down

919
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,280
the aisles of an incredible exhibit set

920
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,200
up at the national congress on medical

921
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,920
quackery here one wondered who in the

922
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,480
20th century would be taken in by these

923
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,400
scientific fakes

924
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,400
commissioner george p

925
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,079
larrick of the food and drug

926
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,640
administration told the congress that

927
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,640
the gullible numbered in the tens of

928
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:10,079
thousands dipped by devices alone not to

929
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:13,760
mention those taken in by food

930
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,160
and quick pause here to say that

931
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:18,480
that word gypt has

932
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,359
uh

933
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,680
been brought my attention that it is

934
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,920
a rather a negative uh

935
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:25,920
racially charged word

936
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,119
um so if apologies for that if anybody

937
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,200
is taking it takes umbrage

938
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,119
it does come up again in a latter story

939
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,440
but i'll just acknowledge that

940
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:37,040
in one corner

941
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:41,520
stood the famous oregon box resembling

942
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,960
an undersized country outhouse

943
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:46,880
it is the brainchild of the late doctor

944
00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:49,440
wilhelm reich who utterly took up with

945
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:51,560
orgon was a respected

946
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,440
psychoanalyst dr reich believed in the

947
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:58,240
mysterious oregon energy that came from

948
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,160
space it entered the body and healed a

949
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,200
lack of orgon energy produced illness

950
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,280
to collect the energy dr reich built the

951
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:10,160
orgon box of alternating layers of steel

952
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:11,040
wool

953
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,119
sandwiched between celotex and

954
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,359
galvanized sheet metal

955
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,319
you just sat in it accumulated organ

956
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,280
energy and you got well

957
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,880
even of cancer

958
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,880
the food and drug administration moved

959
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,040
in on dr reich

960
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,359
and after a lengthy trial he was

961
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,440
sentenced to two years in jail where he

962
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,079
died the orgon box came under the

963
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,800
classification of do-it-yourself quack

964
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:41,520
devices that included health lamps

965
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,240
massage belts electro galvanic bracelets

966
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,640
a bust developer that look like a

967
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,440
plumber's helper and a high frequency

968
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:53,520
generator designed to cure inflammation

969
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,040
of the utter in cows a few steps away

970
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,040
you could find the devices sold to quack

971
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:01,760
doctors to gull their patients a

972
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,200
particularly lovely number had the name

973
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,599
sonus filmosonic

974
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:09,119
105

975
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,000
the

976
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:13,119
doctor in quotes pressed a button turned

977
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:13,839
on

978
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,040
an impressively scientific knob

979
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:19,359
and some music came on the music was

980
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:22,880
piped into two electrified pads that he

981
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,240
applied to the trouble spots on the body

982
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:29,119
the manufacturer contended that quote

983
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:30,240
holiday

984
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,040
for

985
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,920
strings and quote cured arterial

986
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,440
sclerosis and

987
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,319
smoke gets in your eyes

988
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,160
did wonders for cancer

989
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,440
in almost every case the quack tries the

990
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,640
word

991
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,520
you know

992
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:48,480
in almost every case the quack

993
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,160
ties the word science to his device food

994
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,680
cosmetical drug

995
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,319
and in recent years according to deputy

996
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:59,520
postmaster general sydney w bishop the

997
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,480
phony healer has become more subtle and

998
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,040
more astute in his manipulation of

999
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,319
pseudoscience fear and modern medical

1000
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,720
knowledge that is making it hard for law

1001
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:12,960
enforcement agencies to fight him and

1002
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,079
i'll just quickly stop here and say wow

1003
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,359
wow this is what 1963

1004
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,280
over 50 years ago

1005
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,760
nearly 60 years ago

1006
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,839
hardly anything has changed

1007
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,440
we read on

1008
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,200
commissioner larrick pointed out that

1009
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,000
the government has the burden of proof

1010
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:34,319
that a device doesn't work or can do

1011
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,200
harm

1012
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,000
he said he would like to see the same

1013
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,000
law apply to gadgets

1014
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,560
that is now applied to drugs putting the

1015
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,560
burden of scientific evidence on the

1016
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,680
manufacturer yet it remains a paradox

1017
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,359
that in this era of scientific

1018
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,359
achievement quackery

1019
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:53,359
should still abound

1020
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,040
dorothy thompson suggested 25 years ago

1021
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,599
that as the public grew to know more

1022
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,160
about science they would be more

1023
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,480
vulnerable to quackery

1024
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,480
various speakers at the quackery

1025
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:08,560
congress brought out the possible

1026
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:11,839
reasons for this strange situation one

1027
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,359
big strange situation one big reason

1028
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:18,079
human suffering strips away reason in

1029
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,839
1905 samuel hopkins adams made his

1030
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,240
observation when he wrote a series of

1031
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,480
magazine articles that resulted in the

1032
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,800
first food and drug act

1033
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:30,880
he said

1034
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,760
quote the average american loses his

1035
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,560
native commercial shrewdness

1036
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:38,880
when he ventures into the marketplace to

1037
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,839
purchase relief from suffering end quote

1038
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,160
this last ditched stand against death

1039
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:46,640
accounts for the persistence of the

1040
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,560
weirdest cancer treatments ever devised

1041
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:52,880
quackery also survives because many

1042
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:56,079
diseases including cancer last for long

1043
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,359
periods with

1044
00:44:03,829 --> 00:43:59,599
alternating swings of good and bad

1045
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:03,839
health so any nostrum even clean water

1046
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,520
could claim a cure for providing relief

1047
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,079
in a significant number of cases

1048
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,319
this up and down characteristic of

1049
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,800
chronic ills also accounts for the

1050
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,720
self-delusion by many doctors who

1051
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,200
believe they have a cure

1052
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:21,520
some fringe practitioners win patients

1053
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,079
by attacking authority

1054
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,720
a fine old american custom

1055
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:29,680
they point to the american medical

1056
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,760
association as a quote medical monopoly

1057
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,319
and quote therefore it must be wrong of

1058
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,400
course the ama often makes it easy for

1059
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,200
quacks by the public stands it takes on

1060
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,839
medical economics positions that can

1061
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,000
easily be turned against doctors as

1062
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,800
quote a bunch of money makers end quote

1063
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:50,960
and sometimes doctors have

1064
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:54,000
to back track on earlier medical

1065
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,440
opinions

1066
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,680
but the most potent source of the

1067
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,280
quack's weapons

1068
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,440
comes from the huge body of medical

1069
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,160
literature with thousands of scientists

1070
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,920
doing hundreds and thousands of

1071
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,119
experiments

1072
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:09,920
medical publishing has reached fantastic

1073
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,280
proportions so by holding himself up in

1074
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,079
a medical library a quack can soon

1075
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,319
find a shelf of medical studies to

1076
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:20,960
support almost any kind of nostrum

1077
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:23,359
this is particularly true in diet where

1078
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:27,040
at least one quote food advertiser in

1079
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,400
quote

1080
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,480
shows the most spectacular open field

1081
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,800
running through tons of medical journals

1082
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,640
and books to come up with theories to

1083
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:37,440
support the current products he sells

1084
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,520
even advance in medicine brings with it

1085
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,000
the quack variations

1086
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:45,760
thus with the increasing importance of

1087
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,839
obesity control the number of devices

1088
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,480
drugs and diets on the open market has

1089
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,800
multiplied prodigiously

1090
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,040
of course to combat quackery effectively

1091
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,280
means an increasing measure of

1092
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,599
government control over medicine

1093
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,839
it is a price we have to pay but in the

1094
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,480
end it may be a small one when measured

1095
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:07,760
against the loss in lives and income

1096
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,870
and now we come to a report published on

1097
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:15,760
the 14th of may 1972

1098
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,960
jefferson city news and tribune

1099
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,599
and this is by margaret taylor

1100
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,319
beware millions dipped by health

1101
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:27,280
quackery devices

1102
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,480
step right up

1103
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,400
only one dollar will buy you this bottle

1104
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,720
of magic elixir guaranteed to cure

1105
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:35,200
arthritis cancer wrinkles overweight and

1106
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,640
baldness

1107
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,599
few are gullible enough today to believe

1108
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,720
that old medicine man spiel but people

1109
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,800
are spending millions of dollars each

1110
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,640
year on worthless health products and

1111
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,680
services

1112
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,319
today's medicine men don't wear frock

1113
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,079
coats and top hats

1114
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:54,160
and work out of a wagon

1115
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,920
they pose as educated lecturers

1116
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,000
door-to-door salesmen and members of the

1117
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,079
medical profession

1118
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,599
regulation of this type of health

1119
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,160
quackery started in 1906 with the

1120
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,640
passage of the first pure food and drug

1121
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:07,680
laws

1122
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,760
quackery

1123
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,720
devices drugs and food items continue to

1124
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,200
be confiscated by the government and

1125
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:18,880
many are displayed at the national

1126
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,040
museum of quackery in st louis 47 area

1127
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,280
residents visited the museum in a

1128
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,359
consumer protection tour tuesday

1129
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,319
organized by mrs shirley p

1130
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,359
drinkard area family economist and

1131
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,160
management specialist for the university

1132
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,599
of missouri extension division her

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purpose in organizing the tool was to

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make people conscious of the many forms

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00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,040
of health quackery and to recognize good

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00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,960
health products and services

1137
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:50,720
items of quackery on display at the

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museum a joint project of the st louis

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medical society and the us department of

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health education and welfare food and

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00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,559
drug administration include

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00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,160
reducing creams

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00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:04,880
arthritis remedies cancer treatments

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00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,160
health foods diagnostic devices

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00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,040
cosmetic quackery hormones baldness

1146
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,680
cures breast developers and air

1147
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,240
purifiers well many of these items are

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00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,880
merely worthless some actually endanger

1149
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,040
life and health or lull the user into a

1150
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,599
false sense of security so he does not

1151
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,079
seek proper medical help

1152
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:29,200
why the quackery has definite signs of

1153
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,559
recognition people can avoid its traps

1154
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,119
by merely using common sense since

1155
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,040
quackery flourishes in an atmosphere of

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00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,319
pain serious illness and fear the fda

1157
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,720
give the following checkpoints to help

1158
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,119
non-medical persons recognize health

1159
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:46,480
quackery

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00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:47,359
point

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the word secret is a danger single

1162
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,440
point promise of one device or drug to

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00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,839
cure a variety of ailments

1164
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,400
point claims of persecution by the

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medical profession

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00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,800
point use of advertisements case

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00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:04,880
histories and testimonials

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00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,880
point promise of quick and easy cures

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00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,720
displays at the national museum of

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00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,359
quackery can be divided into general

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classifications of cures and treatments

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00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:18,240
for arthritis nutrition and diet

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00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,520
cosmetic problems and general cure oils

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00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,680
rheumatoid arthritis is made to order

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for health quacks because the pain comes

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00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,079
and goes there is no known cure and

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since it is a long-term disease it

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discourages its victims

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00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:36,800
the arthritis foundation estimates that

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00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:39,839
frauds and rackets robbed arthritis

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00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,800
victims of over 400 million dollars last

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00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,280
year although progress has been made in

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the disease's treatment quote don't

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00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,319
believe anyone who says he has a cure

1185
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,160
for arthritis end quote

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00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,880
a common relatively inexpensive device

1187
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,599
that many arthritis sufferers swear by

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is the copper bracelet ring or disc

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00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,559
the fda has seized these devices when

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advertising claims

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00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,160
they help arthritis

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00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,880
a museum tour guide sharon petty

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00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:11,680
explained that the only possible benefit

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of these items to arthritis victims was

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psychological

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00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:18,720
nutrition and diet quackery abounds with

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00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,839
both drugs and devices the fda has

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00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,839
confiscated numerous drugs

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vibrators and machines that claim weight

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00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,440
can be lost without dieting

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charles zimmerman

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curator of the national museum of

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00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,040
quackery explains that any device or

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drug making this claim is automatically

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confiscated because under normal

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00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,680
circumstances no person can lose excess

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fat without eating less

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food

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than his body uses

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00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,319
he adds that any vibrator or other

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00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:50,800
device that claims to remove inches from

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the body in such areas as the waste are

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also quackery

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00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,920
zimmerman explains that the decrease in

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00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,079
measurements is recorded after the use

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of devices because muscles and nerve

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endings contract to get away from the

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source of irritation

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and the area of food fedism

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00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:10,880
common false advertising listed by the

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fda include claims that improper

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00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:15,920
processing deterioration during storage

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and growth of food on depleted soil make

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00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:21,599
common foods useless

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00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,079
fda spokesman explain that these and

1226
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:26,640
other claims are usually accompanied by

1227
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,319
a pitch to sell health foods expensive

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00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,400
vitamins and scores of books and

1229
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,800
pamphlets cures for cosmetic problems

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00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,400
can be generally dismissed

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00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,240
as totally ineffective

1232
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,559
fda publications state that there is no

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00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,559
way to prevent wrinkles or remove them

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00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,040
with miracle hormone or rejuvenating

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00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:47,839
creams there is no known drug or hormone

1236
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,880
preparation or device that can

1237
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,359
significantly postpone [\h__\h] or cure

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00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,200
hereditary baldness

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00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,359
and there are no youth restoring drugs

1240
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,079
or devices general cure alls are usually

1241
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,480
found as machines that collect and

1242
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,920
distribute some ray or force

1243
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:07,920
a common claim of these machines is that

1244
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,160
they both diagnose and treat diseases

1245
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:12,319
including cancer heart and circuitry

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00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,359
problems

1247
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,240
the orgon energy accumulator devices

1248
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,359
distributed by dr wilhelm reich

1249
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,680
claimed to collect cosmic energy called

1250
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,720
orgon to cure almost any illness

1251
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,040
this device is still on sale in new york

1252
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,920
state and as long as it stays away from

1253
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,079
interstate sale or commerce is

1254
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,640
apparently safe from seizure

1255
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,200
another common health fraud often called

1256
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,520
a micro diameter

1257
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,440
claims to measure electric currents in

1258
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,760
the body and is unsafe as well as

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00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,359
ineffective

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00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,359
the theme of the national museum of

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00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,599
quakery comes through as

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00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,760
don't be panicked into purchase of

1263
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,000
unproven items

1264
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,400
but to always seek competent medical

1265
00:53:00,600 --> 00:52:58,240
advice and then

1266
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:00,610
follow that advice

1267
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,359
[Music]

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00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:07,040
and the picture accompanying this

1269
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,480
article is of a

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00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,240
lonely gentleman in a

1271
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,160
accumulator box with a sort of a

1272
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:14,400
speaking trumpet pointed towards his

1273
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,359
face

1274
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:17,760
but strange orgon cure it says this

1275
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,119
orgon box was reputed to draw in a form

1276
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,200
of cosmic energy known as orgon which

1277
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,280
allegedly could cure cancer sexual

1278
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:27,280
impotency and practically any other

1279
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,400
human ailment

1280
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,160
national center of quackery curator

1281
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:32,480
charles zimmerman also demonstrates

1282
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,359
other organ energy dispensing devices a

1283
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,559
funnel for use on the head and a

1284
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,200
shoulder box for localized application

1285
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,280
the distributor of orgon treatments dr

1286
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,319
wilhelm reich died in jail in 1957 while

1287
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,319
serving a term for selling these devices

1288
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,960
in defiance of a court order news

1289
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:53,440
tribune photo

1290
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,510
so there we go some references in

1291
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,760
history to orgon energy and devices

1292
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,000
mixed up with other quackery

1293
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:06,960
and as i said you can still buy these

1294
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,760
devices or similar devices

1295
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,920
products that make claims about this

1296
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:14,079
mythical orgon energy

1297
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,440
even today

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00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,720
[Music]

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00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:19,520
and even you today can look at archives

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00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:21,960
and have an interesting time at

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00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,800
trove.nla.gov dot eu and other newspaper

1302
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,960
archives from around the world

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00:54:32,660 --> 00:54:28,880
and you'll never know what you might

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00:54:32,670 --> 00:54:49,670
[Music]

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00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,349
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1306
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,359
zone and thank you to listener graham

1307
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,040
donald who has been sending me some

1308
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,880
interesting bits and pieces to do with

1309
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conspiracy theorists and coronavirus and

1310
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so on

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i might sort of do something next week

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along the line of more

1313
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,079
stories to do with that people

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00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,839
appearing to be

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00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,760
persecuted

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00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,079
because they got the vaccine because

1317
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:18,319
they get the booster it's the world is

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00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:19,440
truly

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00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,839
that we've got listeners out there who

1320
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:26,160
are keeping their eye

1321
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,359
on things

1322
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,599
and it's nice to have tips coming my way

1323
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:31,280
every now and then

1324
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,640
and thank you to those people who

1325
00:55:35,309 --> 00:55:34,559
continue to subscribe to the skeptic

1326
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,319
zone at

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00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,359
skepticzone.tv and of course what i mean

1328
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:39,280
by that is they sign up with paypal or

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00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,640
patreon

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00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,359
and a little bit of

1331
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,160
a little bit of their help comes my way

1332
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,960
each month by those methods and it

1333
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,880
really adds up and it really means the

1334
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,040
show can keep going this beautiful

1335
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,520
microphone i'm speaking into it into at

1336
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,079
the moment the rode nt-1a

1337
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,680
which i bought about a year and a half

1338
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,520
ago was due to

1339
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,839
uh the generosity of listeners i was

1340
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,760
able to get that and i've been so happy

1341
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:07,839
this is not a free

1342
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,359
for the road microphone people like well

1343
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,040
i guess it is i mean

1344
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:17,680
they're not sponsoring in any sense i

1345
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,559
bought this with no deals in mind

1346
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,640
but i'm happy to recommend it if you

1347
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,319
want to start a podcast or you're doing

1348
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,920
a podcast and you're looking for that

1349
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,240
better microphone then i've been

1350
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:31,359
entirely happy with the rodent t1a and

1351
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,240
for those technically minded it has a

1352
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,480
a very low or practically zero noise

1353
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,680
floor

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00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,000
which for recording purposes is very

1355
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,920
good that

1356
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,599
coupled with the fact that i've got

1357
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,799
sound

1358
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,079
um

1359
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,079
measures around the room like some

1360
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:50,480
towels hanging up and something on the

1361
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,760
hard surface here and some foam around

1362
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:55,920
all go together well to hopefully bring

1363
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,480
you a better listening experience and

1364
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,160
i'll refer once again to adrian hill in

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00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,640
canada who impresses me no end with the

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00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,880
the sheer um audio quality of her

1367
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,280
recordings i had hoped next year to go

1368
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:09,760
up to canada to do a bit of a

1369
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:10,839
skeptical

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00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,400
tour well we'll see we'll see it's just

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00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,440
uh the world is just still so unknown

1372
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,760
unknown that's that's not the term i'm

1373
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,359
looking for the world is still it's if

1374
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:23,280
things are still up in the air i'll put

1375
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,240
it that way

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00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,160
coming up on next week's show we look at

1377
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,640
more quackery when it comes to cancer

1378
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:29,680
cures

1379
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:32,640
and yeah we'll look at some of these uh

1380
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,240
anti-vaxxers in more detail

1381
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,760
but for this week

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00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,000
this is richard saunders signing off

1383
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,880
from sydney australia and signing off

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00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:44,160
from the year

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00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,990
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hello to the people who listen after the

1404
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,520
music this is the return haven't done

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00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,839
this for a while of the the dice game

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00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,680
for those of you who don't know

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00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,760
this is the easter egg sometimes where i

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00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,960
roll a die

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and you use your psychic powers your

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dumb luck or whatever you want to do you

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can listen to the show and listen to it

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again and then you'll get it right every

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time

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you guess what number is going to come

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up

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today i have a d6 six sided dime

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and i'll roll it three times so guess

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away

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one two three four five or six here it

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comes

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first number is one

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second number coming up

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two that's quite easy to remember

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one

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and two and the last number coming up i

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know susan gobig wants a five it is

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hmm a two oh well